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		<title>More proof Big 3 not alone</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Honda is riding into the red.  Toyota is expected to post an operating loss for the year.  They have even indefinitely put a hold plans for completing a new plant that was to build the much hearalded Prius.  You know, the car that has been mentioned constantly by Congressmen touting how the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Honda is <a href="http://www.forbes.com/business/2008/12/17/honda-cuts-guidance-markets-equity-cx_twdd_1217markets3.html">riding into the red</a>.  Toyota is <a href="http://www.forbes.com/markets/2008/12/22/toyota-record-loss-markets-equity-cx_twdd1222markets03.html">expected to post an operating loss</a> for the year.  They have even <a href="http://www.forbes.com/equities/2008/12/16/toyota-mississippi-plant-markets-equity-cx_twdd_1216markets4.html?partner=whiteglove_google">indefinitely put a hold plans for completing a new plant</a> that was to build the much hearalded Prius.  You know, the car that has been mentioned constantly by Congressmen touting how the Big 3 is &#8220;out of touch&#8221; with consumers.</p>
<p>This is of course just more proof that this meltdown is far more of a problem for all automakers than those who want to bust the UAW are willing to admit. </p>



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		<title>Time to let them fail</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Dec 2008 21:56:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, I do mean the Big 3.  I am talking about the States that are so dead set against a loan for the Big 3, but yet want to use subsidies to try to entice foreign automakers to open plants in their State.  These are the very same States that need to TAKE [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I do mean the Big 3.  I am talking about the States that are so dead set against a loan for the Big 3, but yet want to use subsidies to try to entice foreign automakers to open plants in their State.  These are the very same States that need to <a href="http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm">TAKE more than they give in Federal dollars</a>.  Well, I say it is time we stopped subsidizing their lifestyles.</p>
<p>If Alambama ($1.63 for every $1 paid) , Kentucky ($1.51 per $1 paid) and Tennessee (a mere $1.21 per $1 paid) want to continue to thrive, let them do it on their own money.  Why are we giving them money, they should either &#8220;evolve or die.&#8221;  Sure, you can blame it on the fact that I am from New Jersey (which takes in $0.65 for every dollar, the lowest in the Nation), a State where we lost our last GM plant in 2005.  But it is more than that.</p>
<p>These Senators want to play political games with people&#8217;s jobs, their lives, our economy with little more than a thinly veiled attack on the union workers, the union itself for daring to stand up for workers, and  the Big 3 which don&#8217;t have factories in their States (well, except I believe Kentucky).  They forget what it was like when they tried to <em>throw hundreds of millions of dollars at Toyota</em> in 2005, only to have Toyota opt instead to <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/25/opinion/25krugman.html?_r=1">put the factory in Canada</a> because, 1.  Canada effectively subsidizes the workers with free healthcare, and the abysmal expense of having to train illiterate workers in Alabama.</p>
<p>Fine, if they want to play these games, then it is time to stop subsidizing their efforts.  Let them find the money within their own budgets to try and lure jobs to their State rather than having them cripple American companies with my tax dollars.</p>



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		<title>Caught revising history?  So what?</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Dec 2008 14:59:35 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[People (some people anyway) wonder why Bush is so despised by so many.  I don&#8217;t think any example could make it any more clear than this one.  OK, fine he is on a &#8220;legacy fixing tour&#8221; trying to polish up his Hoover-esque approval.  That is understandable to a certain degree.  Virtually [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People (some people anyway) wonder why Bush is so despised by so many.  I don&#8217;t think any example could make it any more clear than this one.  OK, fine he is on a &#8220;legacy fixing tour&#8221; trying to polish up his Hoover-esque approval.  That is understandable to a certain degree.  Virtually every President does it, though most wait until they leave office before embarking on this sort of endeavor, but few have had as much work to do as he does in attempting to rewrite history in favorable terms.</p>
<p>But when confronted with the fact of how is is (to be polite) &#8217;stretching&#8217; the truth, his reply is to say &#8220;So what?&#8221; Are you kidding me?  Who the hell are these people (22% or so) that still believe this junk he is spewing?  </p>
<blockquote><p>BUSH: One of the major theaters against al Qaeda turns out to have been Iraq. This is where al Qaeda said they were going to take their stand. This is where al Qaeda was hoping to take–</p>
<p>RADDATZ: But not until after the U.S. invaded.</p>
<p>BUSH: Yeah, that’s right. So what? The point is that al Qaeda said they’re going to take a stand. Well, first of all in the post-9/11 environment Saddam Hussein posed a threat. And then upon removal, al Qaeda decides to take a stand.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now most won&#8217;t dwell on the fact that he continues to lie about what a threat Saddam Hussein was, but that is overlooked this time because of the more idiotic remark of &#8220;so what if al Qaeda wasn&#8217;t in Iraq&#8221; before we blew it up, they came there to take a stand, so it turned out to be the &#8220;right&#8221; move?  Even his spin is getting more sorry and obvious.  Yet people continue to believe this?  Simply astounding.</p>
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		<title>How clueless?</title>
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		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Just how clueless is the GOP when the Bush administration realizes how bad becoming &#8220;The Hoover Party&#8221; is, and how their union busting efforts which could sink us into another Great Depression, but yet the wingnuts in the Senate are still more worried about busting unions and protecting foreign autoworkers in their own States?




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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just how clueless is the GOP when the Bush administration realizes how bad becoming &#8220;The Hoover Party&#8221; is, and how their union busting efforts which could sink us into another Great Depression, but yet the wingnuts in the Senate are still more worried about busting unions and protecting foreign autoworkers in their own States?</p>
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		<title>Imported Bottle Water for All?</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 15:04:31 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[I guess that is the strategy our Lame-Duck-In-Chief has in mind with the midnight order that is planned that would keep the EPA from having to come up with orders to rid drinking water of a toxic rocket fuel ingredient that has fouled public water supplies around the country.  It is not bad enough [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I guess that is the strategy our Lame-Duck-In-Chief has in mind with the midnight order that is planned that would keep the EPA from having to come up with orders to rid drinking water of a toxic rocket fuel ingredient that has fouled public water supplies around the country.  It is not bad enough I guess that perchlorate, has been found in at least 395 sites in 35 states and at levels that are high enough to  pose health and developmental risks.  According to CNN:</p>
<blockquote><p>The EPA document says that mandating a clean-up level for perchlorate would not result in a &#8220;meaningful opportunity for health risk reduction for persons served by public-water systems.&#8221;</p>
<p>The conclusion, which caps years of dispute over the issue, was denounced by Democrats and environmentalists who accused the EPA of caving to pressure from the Pentagon.</p></blockquote>
<p>The really sad part about this is when officials don&#8217;t even realize how transparent they are when they try to spin things like this.  Take EPA official Benjamin Grumbles the EPA&#8217;s assistant administrator for water:</p>
<p>&#8220;We know perchlorate in drinking water presents some degree of risk, and we&#8217;re committed to working with states and scientists to ensure public health is protected and meaningful opportunities for reducing risk are fully considered,&#8221; Grumbles said.</p>
<p>Reducing risk going to be considered?  Isn&#8217;t that their tantamount job, to ensure Environmental Protection?  They acknowledge their is a risk, but they have to weight whether the risk is &#8220;serious enough&#8221; to clean it up?    What do we have to do, wait for some elected official or celebrity to suffer a fatal or at least very tragic circumstances, then we can have a rally and Congressional hearings, and THEN move to protect us against something we already know is a problem?</p>
<p>How many days do we have left of this clown in the White House?  Can&#8217;t we find a way to gag him until January 20th?  </p>



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		<title>Hey what do you know?  It works.</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Dec 2008 14:23:46 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[The arrest yesterday of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich showed us something that has been completely overlooked so far that should be of interest to all those wingnuts that supported the Bush administration and their illegal wiretapping.  According to the story (emphasis added)
A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democrat was intercepted on court-authorized wiretaps [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The arrest yesterday of Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich showed us something that has been completely overlooked so far that should be of interest to all those wingnuts that supported the Bush administration and their illegal wiretapping.  <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28139155/">According to the story</a> (emphasis added)</p>
<p>A 76-page FBI affidavit said the 51-year-old Democrat was intercepted <strong>on court-authorized wiretaps </strong>over the last month conspiring to sell or trade the vacant Senate seat for personal benefits for himself and his wife, Patti.</p>
<p>Well, look at that.  It looks like U.S. Attorney Patrick Fitzgerald, can actually stay within the confines of the Constitution, use our legal system properly to acquire a lawful court order and still get the (alleged) bad guy.  So maybe that <a href="http://www.cnn.com/2005/POLITICS/12/17/bush.nsa/index.html">Bush Executive Order &#8220;allowing&#8221; illegal wiretapping</a> wasn&#8217;t so critical after all?  </p>



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		<title>Still not convinced&#8230;so it seems</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Dec 2008 14:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[Need more proof that the refusal to loan money (as opposed to giving it to Wall Street) is steeped in union busting and that the &#8220;they don&#8217;t make good cars&#8221; line is all rhetoric?  Well, all you have to do is look at November&#8217;s auto sales numbers, where you see that U.S. auto sales [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Need more proof that the refusal to loan money (as opposed to giving it to Wall Street) is steeped in union busting and that the &#8220;they don&#8217;t make good cars&#8221; line is all rhetoric?  Well, all you have to do is look at November&#8217;s auto sales numbers, where you see that <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28015964/">U.S. auto sales sink to worst level since 1982</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Every major automaker reported a year-over-year sales decline of more than 30 percent when they released their results Tuesday. The Detroit carmakers were among the worst hit, with GM’s U.S. sales falling 41 percent and Chrysler LLC’s dropping 47 percent.</p>
<p>Their overseas rivals posted abysmal results as well. Toyota’s sales tumbled 34 percent, while Nissan’s dropped 42 percent and Honda’s fell 32 percent.</p></blockquote>
<p>OK, so are they all making bad cars and do they all have bad business practices now?  I mean the Toyota Prius has mentioned as the &#8220;gold standard&#8221; that every auto dealer is supposed to be held to now (besides being union free), and yet their sales are down 34%.  </p>
<p>Yet the dissection of the automakers continues on, even though they are asking for lines of credit and not a flat out bailout, and while the automakers have already offered <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28030726/">strings and conditions not even considered for the Wall Street Bail out</a>,</p>
<blockquote><p>Mulally and Wagoner both said they&#8217;d work for $1 a year — something Chrysler&#8217;s plan said Nardelli already does — if their firms took any government loan money. Ford offered to cancel management bonuses and salaried employees&#8217; merit raises next year, and GM said it would slash top executives&#8217; pay.</p></blockquote>
<p>No, that is still not enough for Congressional leaders, who are still fixated (as many common people are as well) in somehow thinking this is relegated to only a Detroit problem.  I mean, I guess they forget that GM is the leading automaker in the world when you hear,</p>
<blockquote><p>Sen. Chris Dodd, chairman of the Senate Banking Committee, said the automakers still need to prove they can survive and be profitable. &#8220;If these companies are asking for taxpayer dollars, they must convince Congress that they are going to shape up and change their ways,&#8221; Dodd said in a statement.</p></blockquote>
<p>So, what, we don&#8217;t want GM to be the largest auto manufacturer in the world?  I know much has been said about the Big Three making too many big cars, but stop a second and look around.  How many SUVs do you see on the road?  Let us be honest for a second, shall we?  The SUV became the station wagon of the 21st century.  They were big and roomy enough for status seekers who needed room for both their briefcase and racquetball and gym bags in the back, they stored enough for the mom and dads that didn&#8217;t want the &#8220;stigma&#8221; of driving a mini-van, they became the most popular class of car in this country.  That is what people where buying, so that is what they were making.  Look around.  How come we don&#8217;t see the Hyundai Excel any longer?  Do you remember how many Chevettes or Pontiac T-1000&#8217;s were on the road?  Dodge Omni?   How about the catastrophic failures of the Yugo?  Why did Hyundai stop making the small, efficient Excel?  Was anybody knocking down the door to buy the super highly gas efficient,&#8221;practical car&#8221; Geo Metro? Going back, how about the Renault LeCar?  How about Romney&#8217;s highly touted AMC cars, the Pacer and the Gremlin?  </p>
<p>You can bash automakers all you want for their lobbying efforts to not have fuel efficiency standards raised, and you won&#8217;t hear a peep out of me.  They are a major failure in this area (but that doesn&#8217;t stick with Detroit, as the foreign car execs are in on this as well).  You can question the logic that GM has behind killing the original electric car (but again, sales were not there for that either, but debating their logic on that is not the point), and I will fully agree with those issues.  You can talk about how they tried to make disposable cars that only lasted 3 &#8211; 5 years.  But that was more than 30 years ago, and they paid dearly for that mistake already, learned their lesson, and moved on, how long can we continue to beat that dead horse?  You can blame them for a lot of things, but the reality is that you can&#8217;t say, is that they are in these dire straits right now, based only on their current business practices.</p>
<p>On top of all of this (and a point the GOP talking heads like Romney like to skip over) is if the US automakers are &#8220;saddled&#8221; with anything that the others are not, it is the fact that all of the other automakers (at least in their home countries) don&#8217;t have to provide healthcare for their workers since they receive national healthcare are a right of citizenship.  Oh, but there is that pesky social medicine issue there, so it is much easier to blame the unions rather than admit that by the fact that we have a broken healthcare system in this country that this might be a problem issue, because they don&#8217;t want to open that pandora&#8217;s box.</p>
<p>It is time the lawmakers stopped playing games and helped  the auto industry back on its feet.  As they fiddle around and screw around playing political games, <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7846600/">Toyota is poised to take over the number 1 from GM</a>, so maybe they will get their wish and the automakers will have to change how they do business, because the landscape will have changed while the lawmakers were too busy looking to bust up the UAW.  I think <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/26315908/">Rachel Maddow</a> has the best anology of the situation when she says, &#8220;those that take a shower before work get bailed out, while those that need to take a shower after a long, hard day at work, get blamed.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Hey Joe, I got a little job for you</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[No, not Joe The Plumber, but grateful Joe Lieberman.  Joe, since your were allowed to keep your chairmanship on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and since you are such warm friends with President Bush, what do you say you take a stroll over there and speak to him about why Congress hasn&#8217;t seen (or [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://thedaftdem.tripleventi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/joe_lieberman_official_portrait.jpg"><img src="http://thedaftdem.tripleventi.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/12/joe_lieberman_official_portrait-300x300.jpg" alt="" title="joe_lieberman_official_portrait" width="200" height="200" class="alignright size-medium wp-image-105" /></a>No, not Joe The Plumber, but <a href="http://thinkprogress.org/2008/11/18/lieberman-chairmanship-2/"><em>grateful</em> Joe Lieberman</a>.  Joe, since your were allowed to keep your chairmanship on Homeland Security and Governmental Affairs, and since you are such warm friends with President Bush, what do you say you take a stroll over there and speak to him about why Congress hasn&#8217;t seen (or ahem been asked to sign off on) an official translation of the Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) with Iraq.</p>
<p>I mean heck, the <a href="http://www.usnews.com/articles/news/iraq/2008/11/28/iraqs-parliament-sets-us-troop-pullout-deadline.html">Iraqi government got to negotiate and vote on it</a>, so why don&#8217;t lawmakers here get to see Bush and Co.&#8217;s handy work?  It affects our troops, and potentially (we don&#8217;t know for sure, since we don&#8217;t have an official version) leaves our troops potentially liable to answer in an Iraqi court, so why is this being held so close to the vest?  What is the secret?  And why Joe, aren&#8217;t you looking into it?  This is the work of your committee, the committee you were so damned desperate to hold on to your chairmanship of, so get on it already, will ya&#8217; Joe?</p>



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		<title>Shouldn&#8217;t let this slide</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Dec 2008 18:14:04 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[George W. Bush appears to be banking on President-Elect Obama and the Democrats repairing his legacy somewhat by allowing torture to not be prosecuted.  And make no mistake about it, by
convening a &#8220;commission&#8221; to look into the matter is doing just that.  This I believe is a big mistake.  Oh, I don&#8217;t [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>George W. Bush appears to be banking on President-Elect Obama and the Democrats repairing his legacy somewhat by allowing torture to not be prosecuted.  And make no mistake about it, by<br />
<a href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/170368">convening a &#8220;commission&#8221; to look into the matter</a> is doing just that.  This I believe is a big mistake.  Oh, I don&#8217;t really care about Bush&#8217;s &#8220;legacy&#8221; as we will all be suffering with paying off the damage he has done for quite some time, so I don&#8217;t think we will be forgetting the damage he did anytime soon, no I am more concerned with the fact that as torturer-in-chief, Bush and his torturing partners helped put us down on the level of people that do not respect human rights, and our perception around the world both now and in the future depend on us holding those accountable for crimes against humanity.</p>
<p>While <a href="http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122756675347954409.html">Bush sees no reason to pardon those involved in torture</a>, but even Senator McCain (we can stop calling him the Republican Presidential nominee now can&#8217;t we?) <a href="http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/02/15/AR2008021503318.html">has said that waterboarding is torture</a>, (though he voted against banning the controversial technique).  It was illegal in 1947 when <a href="http://www.politico.com/news/stories/1007/6647.html">President Roosevelt dismissed a General for waterboarding</a> in the Phillipines, just as it was in 1968 during Vietnam.  Whether <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2006/oct/27/usa.guantanamo">VP Cheny endorses it</a> or not, it is torture and world sees it as such.  Allowing these crimes to go unanswered is simply not the right thing to do.</p>
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		<title>Joe the Unrepentant</title>
		<link>http://thedaftdem.tripleventi.com/2008/11/joe-the-unrepentant/</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:05:36 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>JayMonster</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Failures]]></category>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was understanding (probably more than most) about why the Democrats would want to keep Joe Lieberman in the caucus and not just toss him overboard.  But much like Michelle Bachmann, apparently Joe doesn&#8217;t understand the power of video and audio tape and just because you want to claim you never said something, that [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was understanding (probably more than most) about why the Democrats would want to keep Joe Lieberman in the caucus and not just toss him overboard.  But much like Michelle Bachmann, apparently Joe doesn&#8217;t understand the power of video and audio tape and just because you want to claim you never said something, that doesn&#8217;t mean people can&#8217;t prove otherwise.  </p>
<p><object width="425" height="344"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/fZvn2ZK9R0Y&#038;color1=0xb1b1b1&#038;color2=0xcfcfcf&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/fZvn2ZK9R0Y&#038;color1=0xb1b1b1&#038;color2=0xcfcfcf&#038;hl=en&#038;fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" width="425" height="344"></embed></object></p>
<p>And people call me daft!  I only hope those that say Joe&#8217;s real punishment will come at the hands of CT voters are correct.</p>



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